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Uploads without licence
[edit]About 3/4 of the permissions we receive from France and Spain refer to images without licence tag. This means considerable extra work for VRT, because we need to remove the complaint from the User:AntiCompositeBot/NoLicense and add the appropriate licence each time after having checked and approved the permission.
This has been going on for months now. Is there really nothing that can be done about it? It should be prevented that files get uploaded without licence tag. Mussklprozz (talk) 10:26, 12 September 2025 (UTC)
- The problem is that we have so many accepted licenses that having a filter to prevent this is not really possible. If we decide that new users are only allowed to use the regular cc licenses we could easily create a filter. GPSLeo (talk) 10:40, 12 September 2025 (UTC)
- How about a filter that forbids to leave the licence empty? This would eliminite 80% of the problem cases, since most users decide for cc-by-sa anyway. Mussklprozz (talk) 12:26, 12 September 2025 (UTC)
- I'd suggest not to solve this by edit filter but by changing the upload interface. But it has to be found out at first which of the dozen ways for uploading creates this problem. Krd 12:46, 12 September 2025 (UTC)
- It seems to be the upload wizard. See e.g. File:Laura Urbina.jpg and File:Jorge León Gustà.jpg. --Mussklprozz (talk) 18:48, 12 September 2025 (UTC)
- Yes, the issue comes from the Upload Wizard. I mentioned that a few months back, and I am surprised that it has not been fixed yet. Yann (talk) 19:27, 12 September 2025 (UTC)
- Yes, the bug that selecting the permission option removes the license is still present. Just tested here File:Testfile2.png. @Sannita (WMF) could you have a look why this is still not resolved? GPSLeo (talk) 20:32, 12 September 2025 (UTC)
- FWIW, on April 13 of this year, I edited Commons:Uploading works by a third party to describe the necessary workaround for this on uploads, because Sannita let me know he did not expect the fix to occur promptly. I still have no idea why a fix to this would be difficult. - Jmabel ! talk 21:50, 12 September 2025 (UTC)
- @GPSLeo Unfortunately, the Structured Content team is no longer active, and it is still unclear who owns UploadWizard in the latest re-organization. I'll keep pushing for a solution, if you would be so kind to send me the Phab ticket, I can try to find someone to work on it. Sannita (WMF) (talk) 12:39, 13 September 2025 (UTC)
- The ticket should be phab:T391600. And the WMF did drop the maintenance of a core tool again? Is there an official statement why this happened? This is exactly what was the main criticism by the community in the open letters and also in the community call series. GPSLeo (talk) 14:29, 13 September 2025 (UTC)
- @GPSLeo AFAIK an announcement on Commons is in the making, but I have no news on when it will be published. About the ticket, I reached out to the devs, and they have it on their rader, but it's going to take at least another couple of weeks before it gets addressed, due to other priorities at the moment. I'll keep you posted, but please feel free to ping me here or in private about it, just to be sure it doesn't slip off my mind. Sannita (WMF) (talk) 14:58, 17 September 2025 (UTC)
- is there any update on the announcement, can be more public than here Gnangarra 10:13, 3 October 2025 (UTC)
- @Gnangarra no update, I pinged already in private the people behind it Sannita (WMF) (talk) 15:21, 3 October 2025 (UTC)
- @Sannita (WMF): Plewase follow up on this. --Krd 06:11, 7 November 2025 (UTC)
- @Krd Still no update, I'm trying to find who can take care of this, but it's hard at the moment. Sannita (WMF) (talk) 12:32, 7 November 2025 (UTC)
- Almost 2 months and no answers from WMF? All we are getting is the sound of silence. Once again Commons is kept in the dark. Bidgee (talk) 20:00, 7 November 2025 (UTC)
- @Krd and Bidgee: I believe there is literally no one from WMF currently assigned to the Upload Wizard. I gather that includes Sannita no longer being assigned this, either. - Jmabel ! talk 23:01, 7 November 2025 (UTC)
- @Quiddity: Can you help out? Krd 09:13, 10 November 2025 (UTC)
- I heard about Commons:Unsupported Tools Working Group, maybe they can help out? cc @Sohom Datta. Nemoralis (talk) 19:15, 11 November 2025 (UTC)
- @Sannita (WMF): is there any way volunteers can work on the Upload Wizard? - Jmabel ! talk 19:51, 11 November 2025 (UTC)
- @Jmabel I'm afraid I don't have the answer to that. I'm pushing one team to adopt this bug and solving it, but so far no luck. Sannita (WMF) (talk) 11:50, 12 November 2025 (UTC)
- @Sannita (WMF): is there any way volunteers can work on the Upload Wizard? - Jmabel ! talk 19:51, 11 November 2025 (UTC)
- FWIW, the problem and the workaround are documented at COM:THIRD#How they can grant a license (and how you upload) step 12. If you need to give people an explanation, it is probably better to aim them there than to custom-write an explanation in each case. It would also be great if we could start doing translations of COM:THIRD: it seems to be stable and heavily used. - Jmabel ! talk 20:20, 10 November 2025 (UTC)
- @Krd and Bidgee: I believe there is literally no one from WMF currently assigned to the Upload Wizard. I gather that includes Sannita no longer being assigned this, either. - Jmabel ! talk 23:01, 7 November 2025 (UTC)
- Almost 2 months and no answers from WMF? All we are getting is the sound of silence. Once again Commons is kept in the dark. Bidgee (talk) 20:00, 7 November 2025 (UTC)
- @Krd Still no update, I'm trying to find who can take care of this, but it's hard at the moment. Sannita (WMF) (talk) 12:32, 7 November 2025 (UTC)
- @Sannita (WMF): Plewase follow up on this. --Krd 06:11, 7 November 2025 (UTC)
- @Gnangarra no update, I pinged already in private the people behind it Sannita (WMF) (talk) 15:21, 3 October 2025 (UTC)
- is there any update on the announcement, can be more public than here Gnangarra 10:13, 3 October 2025 (UTC)
- @GPSLeo AFAIK an announcement on Commons is in the making, but I have no news on when it will be published. About the ticket, I reached out to the devs, and they have it on their rader, but it's going to take at least another couple of weeks before it gets addressed, due to other priorities at the moment. I'll keep you posted, but please feel free to ping me here or in private about it, just to be sure it doesn't slip off my mind. Sannita (WMF) (talk) 14:58, 17 September 2025 (UTC)
- The ticket should be phab:T391600. And the WMF did drop the maintenance of a core tool again? Is there an official statement why this happened? This is exactly what was the main criticism by the community in the open letters and also in the community call series. GPSLeo (talk) 14:29, 13 September 2025 (UTC)
- Yes, the bug that selecting the permission option removes the license is still present. Just tested here File:Testfile2.png. @Sannita (WMF) could you have a look why this is still not resolved? GPSLeo (talk) 20:32, 12 September 2025 (UTC)
- Yes, the issue comes from the Upload Wizard. I mentioned that a few months back, and I am surprised that it has not been fixed yet. Yann (talk) 19:27, 12 September 2025 (UTC)
- It seems to be the upload wizard. See e.g. File:Laura Urbina.jpg and File:Jorge León Gustà.jpg. --Mussklprozz (talk) 18:48, 12 September 2025 (UTC)
- I'd suggest not to solve this by edit filter but by changing the upload interface. But it has to be found out at first which of the dozen ways for uploading creates this problem. Krd 12:46, 12 September 2025 (UTC)
- How about a filter that forbids to leave the licence empty? This would eliminite 80% of the problem cases, since most users decide for cc-by-sa anyway. Mussklprozz (talk) 12:26, 12 September 2025 (UTC)
- MediaWiki talk:Gadget-PermissionOTRS.js#Remove AntiCompositeBot tagging
You'd still have to insert the license, but it's an easy fix to automate one step. I'd have to look into the gadget to see if a dropdown with common licenses could be added somewhere. - Alexis Jazz ping plz 13:23, 27 January 2026 (UTC)- The existing code has virtually no code comments and the structure is too different from what I'm used to. I tried but don't think I can work this out. - Alexis Jazz ping plz 23:05, 27 January 2026 (UTC)
Questions about ticket access
[edit]1. Is ticket access logged? (e.g. "$user viewed $ticket_number at $timestamp")
2. If it is, who can review that log, and does it get reviewed regularly?
3. Is ticket access at all ratelimited? In other words, would a single account have the technical ability to scrape all tickets in existence in a short period of time?
I know you swear an oath etc, that's not what I'm concerned about. This question is about the abilities of the system. - Alexis Jazz ping plz 14:37, 27 January 2026 (UTC)
- I presume the log can be viewed by anyone if CU is any indication Trade (talk) 19:05, 27 January 2026 (UTC)
- @Josve05a: --Trade (talk) 20:22, 27 January 2026 (UTC)
- As a regular VRT agent, I do not have access to any log showing that another user has merely viewed a ticket. I can only see logs for explicit actions taken on a ticket, such as following it, adding notes, merging, forwarding it, etc. I cannot speak for what logs are available to VRTS administrators beyond what is visible to regular agents, so I will leave that part of the question to them to answer if needed. Regarding rate limiting, the system is generally quite slow in practice, but this appears to be due to overall performance and not to any per-account access throttling that I am personally aware of, but for operational security reasons, details about technical safeguards against large-scale access or scraping beyond what we "mere volunteer agents" have access to or knowledge about are unlikely to be discussed publicly. --Jonatan Svensson Glad (talk) 20:25, 27 January 2026 (UTC)
- @Alexis Jazz: --Trade (talk) 03:06, 28 January 2026 (UTC)
- I think @Krd can answer this. Nemoralis (talk) 12:19, 29 January 2026 (UTC)
Was genau ist hier durch das VRT-Ticket abgedeckt? Etwa nur das Recht des Fotografen am Foto? Was ist mit dem abgebildeten Werk? GerritR (talk) 20:42, 28 January 2026 (UTC)
- Das Ticket betrifft auch File:Rößle Aktuell 2000.jpg und File:Rößle 50er Bild.jpg und ist nach heutigem Standard nicht ausreichend. Ich bin mir nicht sicher ob man das als Vorgang von 2009 so behalten kann, aber ich tendiere zu Nein. Krd 06:06, 4 February 2026 (UTC)
Doesn't seem like this was added by an actual VRT member? Can someone confirm that this is legitimate? ticket:2018051310002832. Am I missing something? Please help me understand what's going on here. Aplucas0703 (talk) 05:47, 2 February 2026 (UTC)
- It is {{IsraeliPoliceLicense}} which is created by a VRT member (and admin). It is valid. Nemoralis (talk) 22:50, 3 February 2026 (UTC)
- @Geagea: ? Krd 19:41, 14 February 2026 (UTC)
- Ya the police of Israel release all content from the official social media accounts. -- Geagea (talk) 20:30, 14 February 2026 (UTC)
- @Geagea: ? Krd 19:41, 14 February 2026 (UTC)
This section is resolved and can be archived. If you disagree, replace this template with your comment. --Krd 21:03, 14 February 2026 (UTC) On the 20th of January 2026 the image (File:Fonyódi_Péter.jpg) was deleted, though I made a request for your permit in advance as I took the photo in 2012. You could check that this photo has not been published anywhere before. My name is Zsolt Peter and I am the photogatpher. The original size of the photo was 1.37 MB (unfortunately, I have lost the original size). The date of the photo: 23.09.2012 Time:10'45 Type of the camera: CANON EOS 5D Mark II. Location: Hungary, 2083 Solymár-Kerekhegy, Hársfa street 10. How long could this ticket be still open? I really begging you to make some progress in this case. Many thanks. (Soltus2009 (talk) 18:26, 13 February 2026 (UTC))
- @Krd, as you have been involved in this ticket. Ellywa (talk) 20:29, 13 February 2026 (UTC)
- Also (not a question for VRT particularly, and I can start a separate discussion if that is preferred): what was the basis to doubt Soltus2009's claim of "own work" in the first place? - Jmabel ! talk 20:34, 13 February 2026 (UTC)
This section is resolved and can be archived. If you disagree, replace this template with your comment. --Krd 09:02, 14 February 2026 (UTC) In case it isn't clear—it wasn't immediately clear to me—Krd's closure without further comment is because the file was undeleted. - Jmabel ! talk 19:23, 14 February 2026 (UTC)
Deletion request
[edit] This section is resolved and can be archived. If you disagree, replace this template with your comment. --Krd 19:56, 15 February 2026 (UTC) Randy Lennox
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Please see User talk:Alexis Jazz#NoIndex Request for Derivative Crop.
This was the result of this DR.
I offered to add noindex to the filepage if CJMiller71 would ask VRT to confirm on-wiki that CJMiller71 does indeed represent (or is) Randy Lennox. Instead of getting confirmation from a VRT agent, CJMiller71 points to ticket:2026021310007032 and says "The VRT agent said for you to do it". This is not answering my question: does CJMiller71 represent Randy Lennox?
.jpg#File:Randy_Lennox_at_the_2017_CFC_Annual_Gala_&_Auction_(32687750515).jpg_2){kind=link}
- If you were able to confirm CJMiller71 represents Lennox and you can confirm this on-wiki, please do, and I'll add noindex.
- If you were able to confirm CJMiller71 represents Lennox but you can't confirm this on-wiki, please add noindex yourself.
- If you were unable to confirm that CJMiller71 represents Lennox, but you told them I should add noindex anyway, ????
- If you were unable to confirm that CJMiller71 represents Lennox, and you didn't tell them I should add noindex, please ask them to stop lying.
Thank you. - Alexis Jazz ping plz 17:29, 15 February 2026 (UTC)
- VRT cannot confirm identities, and adding noindex to pages is not within our job description. Please clarify this without VRT. Krd 19:55, 15 February 2026 (UTC)